20 .245 .130 that is less the difference of the step. (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Winston Rods. But I imagine that high output builders didn't have every rod turn out the same for whatever reason. Following tests I no longer cook UHU. I've had good success designing new tapers starting with the ferrule size, not tip top size. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. The 7012 HB is super light, and can cast with the best of them. The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. 15 .128 .278 I have one of his 7625's, and it's a great rod, being a 7613 replica. It is truely a wet fly action - great for those soft hacles. He has some of the original taper ledgers from Dickerson's shop and can clone a rod as well as anyone. 0.369 The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 The mid sections are very different. 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing 40 .202 .375 A lot goes into crafting a bamboo fly rod and here you can learn more about our approach. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) 0.206 So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! 35 .207 .086 I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. 0.206 As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. I have built Russ' version, which I believe was posted yesterday, and I love it. : This is a 5 wt line SLT. by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. 65 0.248 134403 The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. by slate river 05/10/09 16:30, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. . Forgot to mention before, Rich Jezioro is taking a set of 11-12/64 ferrules to Grayling for the silent auction for me, so if anybody's interested you can see them there if you're attending. So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. by avyoung 06/17/16 00:43, Post 0.241 by LeeO 05/26/17 07:47, Post Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. .288@30 The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. Used but very good serviceable condition. 35 0.162 166451 For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. )really love this taper. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". Just have finish paying for the last kids college. It's really funny that a True Arc turns out to be a parabolic taper (how drunk were those guys?). The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. 0 0.072 - I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. If you are building in the drop at the ferule that Dickerson used, you will usually end up using a size larger ferrule than you'd normally think. (Robin Haywood). (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). 0.320 A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. (Robin Haywood). Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. You can build this rod and have a neutral action rod (my term). Leonard patent, I believe. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. 8 wt 0.0830 A few of the tapers shown on the deflection comparison page are not listed here as they are from active rodmakers; out of professional courtesy I prefer not to offer those for sale. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. This should cause some debate as a lot of our American cousins rave about this wimpy stick? Dickerson 8015 Guide Model Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #6/7, Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/3 #6, Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5/6, Dickerson 761510 RB (Ray Bergman) Fly Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 901812-C Bamboo Rod 9' 3/2 #7, Lyle Dickerson Model 6611 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 2/2 #3/4, Lyle Dickerson Model 7613 Hollow Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4/5, Lyle Dickerson Model 661510 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 3/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Guide Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801510 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 7612 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 761510 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/3, Lyle Dickerson Model 9015 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 7012 Bamboo Rod 7' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801610 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8615 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 961913 Bamboo Rod 9'6" 3/2 #7. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. 60 0.242 .278@25 5 0.0825 Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. (Bob Norwood). A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. All measurements were taken over varnish. 7 wt 0.0790 Great conversation. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. Station Diameter I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. 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