There is no such thing as a white doberman. Im so happy you found your new girl.. You can use it externally on wounds or internally as well. He loves everyone, and everyone who meets him falls in love. i am wanting to buy a doberman puppy as a pet because i have heard how intellegent and easily trainable they are. I want all the colors i may breed i may not breed, but as with any thing line breeding can cause problems. Adding to the confusion, the color names also vary around the world, some Europeans call red Dobermans, brown. Considered an undesirable gene mutation. Killing white pups at birth doesnt remove the z factor from the line, which is clearly evident. If you need more information about 55+ Doberman Haversham Purebred, you can check the following LINK . Like the white Doberman, they should not be bred. We have done all the testing that any breeder should do. Dobermans Den is reader-supported. During spaying the vet discovered a heart murmur in Porsche. to begin with, all breeders regardless of the creature they breed should start thinking about what they do: the modify little helpless lifes and cause much suffering. Give your head a shake. and I think that whatever the color they are, Doberman are freaking perfect and lovely. I have raised Black and Tan, Red and Tan, Blue and Cream and Tan. Brian, The white coloring of a Doberman IS the result of a genetic mutation. My parents breed him with a rusty female doberman with tan markings who was not from the same bloodline as Logan and half of eights puppies were white the other half rusty-colored. You are right, you do have to be a bit careful with White Dobes getting too much sun. We have two beautiful donors with no health conditions both albino! The difference is obvious at first glance, but on careful study, you will see how much of the original Doberman Pinscher has been deleted from its current U.S. counterparts. So glad you came along. We ate in Huntsville, AL. Also they are not albino they are like any other color variation. My first ones never had a health issue up till the day they passed peacefully in there sleep. Hi, my name is Calin Scridon and I went to the site to see the material and the comments. But it is not good for the breeds future to perpetuate this mutation. I must say I came to this site for help and I feel as though I have found out inevitably that my pup will have issues her whole life. Love your dog no matter what his/ her color is. : ). First problem: MoZart lost ALL of his hair/coat from the neck to his hind quarters. Bottom line is that it is a mutation and more importantly it causes health issues for these poor animals! Thank u so much for your response. There are just to many reports of health risks, and all just so you can have one in a white color. Evilboo if we do not spay/neuter dogs then we will have even more strays that get put in shelters and get put down or live their lives on the streets is that really what you want? It does that to almost everybody. I do have a serious issue with destroying White Doberman pups at birth. If you were any better you wouldnt be breeding dobermans and adding to the unwanted masses of dogs in shelters you would be adopting and careing for the dogs already here. Also, the skin/eye color isnt a qualifying factor for albinism just a sign of the trait. She is smart and is trained well with a good disposition. Both of the latter are in Floridalots of luck in your search. That is why the AKC registers them (albeit with the distinguishable Z designation much in part to the decrying of folks whonm think they are much smarter than they are in the area of all things wise and wonderful). lol. It is difficult to analyse why the Caucasian colour originated in humans presumably because melanistic colouration was not particularly needed in the Northern Hemisphere of our planet. Professional breeders now refer to it as Line-Bred. All Dobermans are sensitive to the cold, as well. But you could try avoiding excessive exposure to direct sun, if you have to take them out, incorporate the use of sunglasses as a medical need, rather than an occasional accessory feature element of having the dog look cool. Havashires are small dogs that tend to be loyal, playful, and affectionate dogs that love nothing more than being with their favorite humans. Many European countries have all but eliminated unwanted and stray dogs by cracking down on the behaviors that produce them. Whites have been insecure about this fact and rewrote history to try and make white skin more attractive when it is in fact inferior and a genetic mutation. These cream, or as some say white ones, were first documented in the 1920s as being a dirty or apricot color. And Marcela Rodriguez, you might want to try fish oil and get your blue in to see a vet and or a dermatologist quickly to try and help his coat. She has NO health or behavior problems what so ever. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. We are experienced Doberman owners. A puppy has more physical needs than the average retieree can satisfy. Myself I dont like akc I would rather deal with A.P.R.I. is the unfounded accusations that the Recessive gene that Expresses as a White Doberman, also carries a trait that make them inferior to their colored cousins. Why would someone breed for this on purpose???? Read all you can about dog behaviour to understand things from their point of view. An intelligent breed, Havanese puppies are highly trainable and enjoy learning new tricks. If I ever have a white it will be a rescue. Get yourself another color. Dobermans are forever loyal and will always stay by your side. I had one that absolutely refused to use the try the dog door, and when he attempt to bite me, after multiple treats of encouragement, I just thought, the last thing I could have is having my children bitten. VOILA!!! Im now looking for another Doberman. Even if he is expensive to keep healthy. I wasnt training him, he was trying to train me! He was rescued, so his ancestry was unknown. As far as someone disposing of a White Dobe, that wrong. Howdy. They are evey bit the cherished Doberman Pinscher we all know and love. I agree that the albino is in her gene poolbut, she is NOT an albino. At age 10 Emma had a severe stroke. Reginald, He's A Purebred Doberman Haversham | I love Harry Potter, books,supernatural,etc , WHEN THE TRASH BE SENDING. We got him about 2 and he died at 13 quite suddenly actually, We took him to the vet as he was growling at my mother which he never had done before. Not only is the white Doberman not albino, but ALL health problems that have been found in white dobermans can be found in other colors as well except for skin sensitivity which is found in all short haired white dogs. i currently own 3 whites (spayed/neutered) and couldnt be more pleased. If you need more information about 23+ Doberman Haversham Dog, you can check the following LINK . Come North of Canada. His name was Logan. are there any kinds of toys or things i can leave in that would give him the stimulation that i have heard they need while im at work? I am concerned that our rather flawed, poorly evidence-based opinions may rob us of the pleasure of some lovely animals. His name was DINO. Hi Sam, would love to hear more from you about this .. So if you breed your dog again, you have 25% chance of every pup to be white, and 75% chance to black. I also became very bored reading your snarky reply. Also there are some white champions in schutzhund as well as obedience and agility course do your research like i said, Ok to all the white haters DO YOUR RESEARCH! Feel free to join my group Doberman ReHome and Rescues. It is not for betterment of the breed, for confirmation or for the show ring because they are not the breed standard. Calling them stupid. The instructor said she used to raise dobies and my boy fit the mold perfectly. Dr. S. At the University of Saskatchewan says that color has no bearing on the health and temperament of a dog. I take hm almost everywhere that I can and receive compliments on his look and temperament too. Seeing that only 6% of people voted for the fawn makes me sad. ?She starts her puppy training tonight! The temperament for these dogs are great. Some people are totally a-holeish about it. just because they are white does not mean you should not get them, albino does not mean they are bad. The white skin is a mutation which occurred most likely to increase absorption off vitamin D in northern countries which is where the white races evolved. Hope this helps with your decision making. So.should people breed Doberman Pinschers for the specific purpose of producing Whites? We are experienced owners have had two, and both our sons have dobermans in their households. Study and actually thoroughly read what you find. More educated people know about this so spread the word. Then she bought a black and rust European bred puppy from a totally different breeder. She had light brown pigment to her hair, Light pigment to her skin and blue eyes. I happened to find her on Craigslist and have been in contact with the owner who is going thru some hard time divorce etc and is moving and not able to take Trinity with her.. I purchased a red puppy whose dad is red and mom is white. any day they dont want to break your bank every time you deal with them. The Dobermann ( / dobrmn /; German pronunciation: [dobman] ), or Doberman Pinscher in the United States and Canada, is a medium-large breed of domestic dog that was originally developed around 1890 by Louis Dobermann, a tax collector from Germany. Do NOT watch it with young children!!!! I dont want to see an outstanding breed tarnished by this uneducated, irresponsible behavior. . My pup is a normal 6 month old Dobe, she visits her fawn sis all the time and is happy and healthy. good people raise good dogs. I have a fawn male and a white female, whos previous owner relinquished her to us. https://www.sfspca.org/adoptions/pet-details/41201970. When the first white dog occured, they inbreed her strongly. WZ i found out after the fact from AKC is a designation of Dobermans with the albino trait even though he is a blue Doberman, he is a carrier and hence why he was given that designation. Any advice? She has had 2 small lumps removed over the years. The dogs are victim to bad breeding which is upsetting and should be stopped. As far as the akc lots of dogs that ar registered with them now did not start out with them they accept new breeds all the time. Oh, wait ~ It must be your words put together in a sentence that are just stupid. Since one white and one black allel means a black (and tan/rust) dog, and the white allel is rare, people can have white-carrier dogs without ever find out. And yes he is vicious. If at some point the color can come about without promoting bad health and temperament, then thats great. I attained a blue Dobie at 1 year of age from a rescue and shes in great health and has no skin issues and is very muscular, agile and athletic as other Dobermans and also very protective of her family including other household pets. It is very cruel to spay or neuter pets. First, As I initially stated, it hasnt been that long ago that blue and fawn puppies were culled. Propaganda to scare people from breeding, even owning, a White or Cream Colored Dobe. I see what is the problem with the white-ish doberman. Usually, the average cost of purchasing a pet quality puppy from a reputable breeder is about $1,200 to $2,500. While the above persons grammar and spelling IS rather poor, the words being spoken are not stupid, but true. Well said sir. Mutt dogs are said to be the best, but this is not always the case. If they got a bad white then it was from a person that did not care about the health and was possibly inbreeding. I love him to pieces. Thanks. Menu. Look in before you look oot an age-old Scottish expression. Whites live longer and have less health issues because breeders have to breed them for health and think about what they are doing. The one in white what type of doby is this???? if those of you who preach about the health, etc of the whites, why dont yuo get updated material, scientific material, and quit making yourself look so foolish. Anyway they tried so hard to keep them apart until they were ready to breed them later on. We love all dobes but to breed a dog who has health issues- related to colour or not, is cruel. Shepherds are excellent at herding, which is their purpose. I have served in jails, as an assistant in two State Senates, as a contender in the ring with men of all colors and of determined heart, many long walks and talks. It cuts their guts apart when the hydrate! I bet half of you owners with healthy white Dobies havent seen been to a vet more than three times with that dog. Your Doberman will be fine. I am 66 years old, and am on my 5th DobermanPerhaps my last and it is unthinkable for me not to not have one. Brace yerselves for it ALMOST ALL PUREBRED DOGS ARE THE PRODUCT OF INBREEDING! He is not fixed, and he is very unagressive accept to male dogs who barge into his territory. While he lived to be 9, had I chosen to breed him, and I considered it prior to knowing he was a carrier, I would have done an injustice to the pups and everyone who acquired one. I recently purchased a blue Doberman from a breeder. I think there are a lot of moronic people on this site that are prejudiced as well as an educated even though they should stop and think that humans by their logic are imbread as well because if it was just Adam and eve then some body was double dippingso white dobermans arent alone are they? They were taught you give kisses no bite. The local shelter has several purebred dobies waiting to be adopted right now. I think the main point about white Dobermans is that they should rarely be bred from both white parents. The only issue we have had with her skin is that we have to feed her a grain free salmon based food to increase her Omega intakes. Having said that, his eye sight is not perfect. The medical condition is a specific need as stated and I feel the two breeds are a good mix in temperament Wiems have keen senses and good temperament around kids and people these dogs were bred to stay close to their owners when hunting, they are good breeds that were bred to be in the house as well as accompany their owners outside hunting they are a royal working dog class. I feel so lucky to have my mila and midus. Now what? Just because you read one article, dont take it for fact. My husband and I are both retired. But let us think about this line breeding. Still available? remember please dont be a moron and breed these dogs ever ! If it has two, it becomes white. This matter was also of large debate with the German shepherd, which was later accepted. No one has less affection for a white doberman, theyre just pointing out serious genetic and personality issues that are likely when they are white. Dogs of both genders neutered or spayed at 6 months or younger had significantly increased odds of developing a behavioral disorder, including separation anxiety, noise phobia, timidity, excitability, submissive urination, aggression, hyperactivity, and/or fear biting. The AKC doesnt decide the requirements for the show ring That would be the breed clubs. Im in N. Calif. Near Sacramento. Its obviously you dont know a damn thing about the breed do your research get a DNA test stop believing all the crap you see on the internet about white Dobermans none of it is true. The two who currently share my life are the most recent of the 11 Doberman Pinschers that have graced my world from my past. This whole thread disgusts/disappoints me. I know of someone that has a 2 year old neutered male that they are trying to find a home for? 7 yrs later, my baby girl is still a goofball! Sorry this is late, did not mean to ignore you. All love on four paws. That is why most Police departments buy European GSD. The blue Doberman is a dilute of black. Blue eyes is actually a lack of pigment in the iris. He had non cropped ears , but we didnt have any problems with it (BTW sometimes my German Shepperd had ears problem). I also belive that dobermans that carry the albino trait should not be bred even if they are a champion. (If the shoe fits). In the meanwhile we put aside all our reservation about getting a puppy. They always have. For all those saying AKC registers albino dobermans, the AKC also register puppy mill dogs, does that make it an acceptable practice? I just wish that humans would stop trying to breed dogs for what they think they should be and spoil the breeds! I have to say that in some parts of its body theres lack of hair and I want to know if theres something to make it grow again. When I worked they was able go outside in a large fenced yard . Both my Black/rust girl, Phoenix and Steele get a fleece lined coat in the Winter. and please stop guilt trapping people into picking a shelter pet. He is a great dog and slowly filling DINOs paw prints. In the next 15 to 20 years, folks will be bucked off of their high-horses, and the Z designation will be dropped in the AKC registration, and people will be free to love these animals as they should and not revile. I dont know how many ppl have asked if Im breeding my dogs, I want to look at them like are you crazy? We have a rescue white female. Then another $1000 for ophthalmologist.. in the end he came out ok with the saved eye. Theres a very sweet 2 y.o. Good morning. i have a white doverman and he is very loving hes six years old no health problem until last week he started falling like his front claws wants to turn in while he walks has anyone every had this proble please let meknow? Please dont justify ignorant human actions and behavior with a book and history that you have proved you have no comprehension of. She has never had puppies despite constant companionship from a male who isnt fixed. He is a wonderful family dog.. His only health issue is that hes had runny eyes (nothing major) since he was a pup. Potassium is the link between the brain and all the organs not just in dogs but in people as well. They are done with little to no health testing as well as little to no titling. Below you can see the traditional black and tan Doberman color alongside a red Doberman. Also, consumers and dog lovers need to be educated about the health concerns of these dogs. So champions and show winner puppies will cost more than you pet quality doberman. It is born out of inbreeding. Did you know that the roadkill that is collected from city and county streets is also in it? Also. Shelter dogs and puppy mill dogs are bred by irresponsible assholes and greedy bastards. My advice is to start with a doberman that has excellent genetics/temperament. I wish people would not perpetuate poor information. By far, my white girl is the healthiest of all of them, and has the thickest, most beautiful coat of all of them too. The next most widely seen color is the red Doberman, which is a light brownish-red hair coloring. I have one of every colour and i dont see the difference they play the same, love the same, eat the same, and bark the same. He was afraid of her and almost pulled my shoulder out trying to get away from her. They are HEALTHY, Happy, Loving, Stable friends. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? We also own a blue female and she has been much easier to take care of. After evaluating Katie, her owners and the circumstances of the biting, we did not hesitate adopting her. I realy think breeding 2 whites is where the problem comes in. I wish people would stop talking trash about them when they have never experienced having one. This came out in the wrong place and is to Evilboo. based on what color genes are dominant). I suppose you hold your beliefs deeply. So far they havent ruined the Malinois or Dutch Shepherd, just a matter of time. We nursed her for 2 months and then gave in to euthanize her. This lasted all day as we sit outside. However, they are a bit of a roulette because the negative qualities of their parental breeds are also there. If not for their health, at least to cut down on all the poor pets that have to be put down every year in shelters. Have talked with the breeder and the vet and they say its fine to feed him that much for now bc hes a very energetic puppy and is growing. We also had a Doberman named Cleo who was hands down the most amazing dog. Love your Doberman that was born white but make sure to protect it from the sun, its eyes, skin, etc. As an answer to Sara and all others who think white is cool and dont believe websites like http://dpca.org/albino/albino_about.htm Thanks! Is it normal for them to have blue eyes as an adult? Before I bought our current Red Male, the breeder asked what I was looking for, I said I was a little partial to a Red Male never having owned a Red before. Wow, great to hear. Most people know the Doberman as a black dog with brown markings. She is 7 month old and so beautiful. At this point Im not planning on keeping him but rather finding him a home best suited for him Get them a fun winter dog sweater if you can. Hes the sweetest dog ever! It saved my life TWICE! Are you still looking for a rescue? The Havanese is the only dog breed that is native to Cuba. Humans as a species have not been around, in any influential way for very long. Not legal there. My Westie wanted to be second in command and over stepped her place so now I cant let the Shepherd and Westie together. These black Dobermans are not part of the official standard for the breed. My daughters female black and brown, and male black and brown got together cause one of the children let them make outside when the female was outside. All of our Dobes have been raised and exposed to children (many small children as part of their socialization) and have done great. She has several very healthy cream ones and after having one lab-tested the results came back with no classification of albino whatsoever. December 11th, 2011 at 6:32 pm Monitor these things, supervise and dedicate time to them as a member of your home. 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